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Episode 44: Meredith K. Lowry is Patently Fabulous

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Randy Wilburn 0:39

Hey folks, and welcome back to another episode of I am Northwest Arkansas. I'm your host Randy Wilburn, and today I'm really excited. I am sitting in front of Meredith K. Lowry. Meredith is a patent attorney at Wright, Lindsey Jennings here in Rogers. I believe they also have an office in Little Rock as well and and so without further ado, wanted to welcome Meredith to the show. How are you doing?

Meredith K. Lowry 1:05

Good. Thanks for having me.

Randy Wilburn 1:06

Absolutely. Absolutely. I had a chance to run into you actually at the doing business in Bentonville program a couple of weeks ago that took place up in Bentonville of all places. And, uhm, Andy Wilson and Casey Baker from Doing Business in Bentonville had invited me to be a part of that program and you and some other people got a chance to speak to some of the vendors that were there and it was a it was a really bad day weather wise but it was a good day inside there were a lot of really great people there and and I had the pleasure of actually meeting you and the first thing I said to you was, I'd love for you to come on my podcast and you said of course right. Exactly. So no it worked out perfectly. But I would love for you just to kind of share with the audience a little bit about yourself. I mean, you're you are somewhat of a mini celebrity here in Northwest Arkansas as I look up, and I told you this when I left the doing business in Bentonville event. I looked up at a Cityscapes magazine, and I'm like, wait a minute, that looks just like the lady that I asked to be on my podcast. And it was, but you had pink hair. Could you tell us about that really quick.

Meredith K. Lowry 2:11

So recently, I was asked to be part of the Komen Big Wigs. Part of the it's a fundraiser that our local Komen affiliate does every year to raise money during the month of September and October, leading up to the Pink Ribbon luncheon. And so I've been friends with the Executive Director for a number of years. I've kind of begged off a little bit before but this year, I had time in my schedule. So I said yes. And then yes, I ended up on the front cover cityscapes, which I did not realize was going to happen, right, but someone actually texted it to me. one weekend and looking down on my Apple Watch seeing my face on my watch? Wait a minute, that's that should not be their why is my face on my watch.

Randy Wilburn 3:07

That's funny. Now I have to ask did they supply the pink wig? Or did you have to go get one

Meredith K. Lowry 3:12

Komen supplied the pink wig but I did buy a second one. She's now seven year old daughter that is named after my grandmother who had breast cancer. And so we had matching wigs and there's a photoshoot that we did I don't have photos around yet that we did together her hamming it up with the wig. She likes the wig a lot more than I do.

Randy Wilburn 3:41

How fun I love that. Yeah, my my mom was a breast cancer. So she is a breast cancer survivor. She actually ended up getting a double mastectomy. She kind of said I want to be done with this and never see it again. And thankfully it's been 20 years. And she is a survivor so certainly give a big shout out to All everyone that is that has been through or has a family member that has gone through breast cancer because, it is a very serious issue. And I certainly applaud your ability to, to lend yourself to that effort and make light of it. And there were so many other people that had pink wigs on in the magazine issue. I saved it just to look at it because I showed my wife and I was like, Wow, look at all these all these folks that are out here supporting the Komen Foundation and what they're doing. So I think that's great.

Meredith K. Lowry 4:29

They're always looking for people to do it. If you want to sign up?

Randy Wilburn 4:32

I don't know how I would look with pink hair. But what we'll have to we'll have to see that October will be here before you know it. So we'll we'll see what happens, what the future holds for us. But why don't you just tell the audience a little bit about yourself part of the the lore of why I created this podcast because I really want to highlight individuals in in what they're doing in their own space and you are you're doing a lot and I kind of want to I want to get to what I want to talk about your your philanthropic efforts. The way that you're giving back to the community how the community gives back to you. I also want to talk about just your expertise from a patent law standpoint, just simply because I think there are a lot of people that listen to this podcast, that that may have questions about some of the basics or foundation of what is patent law, because a lot of people don't always understand it. So I think we'll get into that as well. But But why don't you just give us just a quick snippet into your superhero origin story of who Meredith Lowry is?

Meredith K. Lowry 5:30

Well, I am a patent attorney. So I, I went to law school at one point in time. Once I got done with law school, I was kind of bored. Actually, when I was in private practice, there's only so many hours the day that you can practice as a new attorney. But my husband and I were both work fairly long hours, but we didn't have children. So the spare time I was kind of chasing I'd already renovated the house and then I decided, Okay, let's, I need something else as an outlet. And Komen actually was my first foray into philanthropy activities. I called the then executive director and said, Hey, I want to volunteer like, well, we have a meeting coming up. Why don't you come to that? Right.

I showed up and it was a committee meeting. I was thinking it was a volunteer activity. It wasn't I sat there through the entire meeting, thinking I'm in the wrong spot. I don't know why I'm here. That's funny. Next morning, the chair for the Race for the Cure, called and said, We would love you to consider being our registration chair. And at that point in time, I really didn't know what I was saying yes to. I just knew, okay, here are these nice people. I enjoyed the Spending time with them. Why not considered this? And that year? I think we had 16,000 registrants for the Race for the Cure. Wow. Which meant that my March and April, were practice of law full time. And then this whole other full time job of getting all of these names into a computer, and folding all these t shirts, and granted, we had volunteers, we had a lot of volunteers, right. But orchestrating all of that, and thank goodness for all the other past volunteers that knew how to run the show, right? Because I really had no clue. And I stayed doing that five years. And at that point, I then had two small children and a full time law practice. And so I step back from that after a while but I still wanted to do extra stuff. And I had found working through common that it benefited my clients to Yeah, if I knew other people in the community, if I was out there and could say, Oh, you need to talk to this person, you need to have drinks with this person. That was always a good thing for them. So I continued, being involved with organizations that touched my heart or that I had good friends working with. So,

Randy Wilburn 8:33

okay, and I'd be curious to know, who was your inspiration growing up that kind of showed you that, you know, figuring out or finding ways to give of yourself, you know, without expecting anything return and return is, is kind of the way to go? I'd be curious to know, did you have an example growing up that because I, for me, it was my grandfather. I mean, he would go if anybody called him to go anywhere and speak and I have yet to really tell his story on this podcast, but he's got a really interesting one in one day, I'll tell it but whenever he would go and speak, he would do it. You know, sometimes he'd do it for he do it for free, most of the time, he was always available in his local community to give back in any way, shape or form. If there was ever any fundraising going on, he'd find ways to give and so he was kind of like my Northstar, when it came to that, and I saw that, you know, what, there's something to this to, to giving of yourself for programs that don't necessarily, I mean, they do give you something back, but it's not a and I don't want to use this word loosely, but it's not a "quid pro quo." And it's one of those things where it's, it's, it's a little tongue in cheek humor there. But the bottom line is that there's always that individual that acts as an example for you and I'd be curious to know who was that person for you?

Meredith K. Lowry 9:50

It's more of a book, really, it was a person. I mean, my grandparents worked very hard. Yeah, my parents did to my parents also had this thing of You'd have to do education. There was a book growing up, it's called Miss Rumphius. It's children's book, and my daughter, my kids, and I would read it. But once a week for ever, but they, we tend to, it talks about the three things that you're going to do to make the world more beautiful. Wow, traveling the world and seeing things but also making the world more beautiful. And getting an education. So I looked at it as okay. I know to work hard from these people that I adore. And I know to get a good education. But what's that third thing gonna be? And for the book, it was spreading wild flowers everywhere, but

mine was different.

Randy Wilburn 10:52

So it's, it's called Miss. Rumphius

Meredith K. Lowry 10:53

Rumphius.

Randy Wilburn 10:56

Really, Miss Rumphius. I'll have to look it up and make sure that we put that in the show notes. Because I love that I love the fact that a book was your inspiration. I tell people all the time books have such they have such a sway over me. And it is always been helpful. And I'm actually not that I wouldn't be the person that I am today, if it wasn't for a lot of the literature in the books that I've, you know, kind of just had become a part of me. And it sounds like that book has become a part of you. And it's actually fueled a lot of what you've done. And when I think about what you've done, I'm looking down the list of things. It's not like you have, I mean, you're a patent attorney and a patent attorneys for those of you that don't know, and I know a little bit about law because I have some law, some lawyers in the family but patent attorneys have to do an inordinate amount of reading. There is an inordinate amount of research that's involved with with being a patent attorney, so it's not you know, it's it's not cut and dry, and there's always a new wrinkle. That's the whole idea behind being a patent attorney. I mean, it's just always something new, that you're entertaining and I think idea and trying to determine, you know what's going on? Am I am I right? Or am I wrong?

Meredith K. Lowry 12:04

You're right. Okay. And I think also being a part of the community helps with that. It does, it does. I spent a lot of time with the entrepreneur ecosystem and seeing what they're doing. When I started practicing law was about the time web 2.0 started just consuming us and social media. And everything changed the way we look at the world change the way we innovate. And now we're walking around with these little computers in our pockets all the time. And the way we approach retail and consumers changed. So being a part of the ecosystem, and being a part of the nonprofit world, I can see things in a different light. I think that helps me process Okay, this inventions coming in but I understand Your frame of reference more I'm not sitting here, just with my books. I'm thinking, Okay, I know everything because I don't. Right.

Randy Wilburn 13:07

Right. Well, there's always something new. I think it certainly you benefit being here in this area with all the different programs. I know you have some involvement with Crystal Bridges, you the arts is something that you're passionate about. You You spent some time working with the Scotts family Amazeum. And I mean, there's just a lot of a lot of programs that you've you've been involved with. And then the NWA Tech Summit, what did you do with them?

Meredith K. Lowry 13:34

I was chair because it's been two years now since I was chair. And we during that, when I was chair, we started the women in tech portion. Okay. We've changed how that is dealt with. Now it's more of an integrated element into the Tech Summit. I still stayed on the planning committee, but we've changed that into the integrated program, but then also still focus on why do we need diverse talent and technology? And that's the intech group that we have now and so I will be chair for that one more year and then I'll be phasing out. Okay.

Randy Wilburn 14:17

All right. Well so obviously and I'm sure you have other things that you can be doing so that there's not a shortage of that. Why don't you talk a little bit about the What does this area represent to you I mean, in Northwest Arkansas we're right in, your offices in Rogers. I mean, there's so much happening right behind us. I just noticed that for the first time. The Top Golf I didn't realize the nets are coming up and that's right behind the Amp, which is the the Walmart Amphitheater, which is right off of 49. There at exit two and Rogers and right behind it is all these huge nets, which is where the Top Golf is going to be. I mean this area in the next five years, you're not going to recognize You

Meredith K. Lowry 15:00

Know, you won't recognize it here in a year, they're going to put another tower right there too. Right behind us. I mean, it's going to be insane. Yeah. this area's full of opportunity. And I love watching that grow. I grew up here. I was here, back in the 80s, when none of this was here. I mean, this wasn't here 15 years ago either, but it's amazing watching how exponentially it is grown. But also watching, like how the community in some ways still stays the same. Yeah, it's still approachable. There's still the ability to be involved in all the nonprofits and in the entrepreneur ecosystem. If you wanted to start a business, you would probably trip over yourself over all the people wanting to help you. Yeah, that I love it still very much a helping mindset.

Randy Wilburn 16:02

Yeah, I tried to explain it to somebody and I've said it before here on the podcast, you know, living in Boston for 17 years, I feel like I have the the right and the experience to say that it was a lot. Things were a lot different there. And and it wasn't that you couldn't get something started or get a business off the ground, it was just a lot harder. You really had to show some proof before anybody would would even would even give you the time of day. Here. That's not the case. And that's the one thing that I really do like, just like I was mentioning to you before we started this recording. Just about everybody that I've asked to be on this podcast has said yes to me, which I'm really surprised at because I'm just always waiting for people to say no, I don't have time for that or no. It's always like, Yeah, I'd love to let's figure something out. And then it's like, it's always like yes, and so from an improvisational standpoint, it's not like Yeah, but you know, I don't know if I have time. So will you know maybe one day in the future Everything is very specific here and which is, which is what I really like. And since you do represent Northwest Arkansas, and this is a podcast for people that may be coming here or that are already here, the encouragement that I would have for anybody listening is that they just need to get in wherever they can and get involved because doors will open up for you. But it just happens that way here.

Meredith K. Lowry 17:22

It does. And when you meet people, there's a woman that spoke yesterday for Company Club, which is the group that I help with some things and its affiliated with a group that I run, but that she Her name's Dominique Blake, and I love her first time I met her, she's like, well, who do I need to know? What do I need to know? It just asked those things. I love that approach. She was so she knew what she wanted and I immediately was like, Okay, well, here are these people.

Randy Wilburn 18:05

Yeah, yeah. Well, that's actually how I built the, the list of guests every time that I speak with somebody, and I'll do it with you when I'm done. But I always ask, Who do you think I should talk to? Who do you think I should have on the podcast? And then now, now I have regular listeners, they're like, Oh, you should get so and so or you should get this person. And so everybody, there's, there's, there's like, like I said, two degrees of separation. And there's, there's so much connectivity here, which really allows for, I don't know, just a spirit of openness that you don't always experience in a lot of places. So if you're, if you're listening to this, and you're in another part of the country, and you're considering Northwest Arkansas, the one thing I would say, and Meredith, you could certainly concur is just that that openness does exist here. And you know what, we will certainly leave leave the light on for you and give you an opportunity to check things out. So why don't we talk a little bit about the The fact of this this neighbor that we have right up the road Walmart and you know it's it's a good corporate citizen you know of course we have JB Hunt we have Tyson I'm kind of being funny here but I know that you do a lot of patent work with companies and products that you know are looking to or have gotten involved or doing business with Walmart what what has what would you say Walmart has been or has meant to this area more than anything else?

Meredith K. Lowry 19:34

It's our way of life. It's I remember what it was like before Walmart started growing and when when they brought in grocery, it's been a game changer. It's not just that they buy product from people that are here. It's also that they encourage their associates to be involved with the community. And sometimes those associates decide. I like it here. Not really fond of working at Walmart anymore. I want to start my own thing. That's my new passion. And so then I start up businesses here too. And we get more growth as a result. They bring in talent. They bring in people from all over the world that have differing viewpoints. That's a great thing. Yeah. I love watching how things grow here.

Randy Wilburn 20:34

Yeah, yeah, no, I that's that's the one thing that I'm excited about. And again, I have since being here in the last five years, I've just had a newfound appreciation I had read. I was telling somebody this I read Sam Walton's autobiography, years ago, and then I had to reread it once I got here. And then I had a different perspective after rereading it and then kind of seeing things like Crystal Bridges. And the impact that his family has had in this region. I mean, it is, it is off the chain, if I could use that expression, it really is when you look at just the extent to which they have impacted others, and especially in a philanthropic perspective, right? Because yes, The Waltons give, they've got the Walton family foundation, they've got a lot of programs. And then there's so many other foundations that are part of the ecosystem here in Northwest Arkansas. And everybody's kind of like fighting, not fighting against each other, but you know, fighting to make things a better a better situation in general. And that's the experience that I've had and that's why I've been blown away. I saw that you were affiliated with the Single Parent Scholarship Fund. I had a chance to sit down with Tyler Clark not too long ago. He's a great guy. And you know, so many of the programs that I see and you know, you see you read some of the local magazines or you read the the Northwest Democrat Gazette. You read any of the local business publications and you see what all these different organizations are doing and kind of how how each piece fits in there nicely into the puzzle of feeling of giving back to this community. And so I think that's really exciting. I, you know, I don't know where it's going to end. I just keep it continues to evolve and continues to grow. So I don't see, I don't see an end in sight. I think there are a lot of opportunities that are going to continue to expand in this area.

Meredith K. Lowry 22:29

Let's Hope!

Randy Wilburn 22:29

Yeah, so Well, why don't you tell us a little bit about this whole understanding of patent law, if you had to give people just the cliff note version of understanding what patent laws all about and what you do on a regular basis. I know that I was reading a little bit of your, your resume and your background and there are a lot of things that you felt that you focus on. One thing that you mentioned list, publicity rights, and then here in Arkansas, And then I was curious to learn a little bit more about that. And then, you know, you do a lot of intellectual property counsel for startups, which is, which I think is really important. But what what is this? I mean, have things changed since you got into the law with regard to with social media and everything nowadays? How has that changed when it comes to our identity and how we can lay claim to that in a much larger system?

Meredith K. Lowry 23:26

The way I like to look at intellectual property with patents, trademarks, copyrights, trade secrets, and rights of publicity is more. What does that mean for the individual business? Because not everyone's gonna have a patent. And not everyone's going to have copyrights. Most people have a trademark of some sort. But what does that mean for them and what is what's important that business to them protect? Sometimes like with the Broyles family, it's a matter of keeping Coach Broyles his name off of products that they might not like, yeah. And seeing their dad's signature lifted off of a football and put on some product like he endorsed it. So that's where publicity rights come in. Sometimes it's just the commercialization of somebody's name or image. And that got passed in 2016. Okay. And so now it you can still you take pictures of people, you just can't use them for advertising and that tensed. It's a bigger thing now is certainly than it was then it seems more and more we see things like holograms popping up. Yeah, and we've seen a couple of lawsuits lately in that realm and the larger outside world, but I'm glad Arkansas has joined that our outside world and protecting people.

Randy Wilburn 25:10

And I'm glad you brought that up because you mentioned Arkansas is on a state by state level. Does that law is differ or is it the same across the board?

Meredith K. Lowry 25:21

It's similar to some of the other state laws. Tennessee has the broadest with Elvis being that the Presley family pushed on that one a long time ago. The sum of the states have a different version of it. Some publicity rights go away after the person dies. And Arkansas is not that way. And it's not that way in a lot of other states too. But that and trade secrets are pretty much the ones that are state law based and then everything else is federal based. And, we could have state trademarks. But most people look at in the federal sense of, Oh, I have a restaurant.

That means if someone in Tulsa is coming to my restaurant, they're going to recognize that it's my restaurant, even if they're going across state lines. Right, right. And products cross state lines easily too. So, but with patents, that's the big one that most people find most fascinating. It's, it's innovation. It's how do you protect what's new, and not, that hasn't been done before in any sort of way. And sometimes that can be tricky.

Randy Wilburn 26:45

It can be. I was just watching an episode of the Prophet which is one of my favorite shows with Marcus Lemonis. It's on CNBC. Big shout out to Marcus Lemonis. Anyway, the episode had him working with a gentleman that had created a tap for a coconut. But he his tap for the coconut had actually already been presented to the patent office years ago. And so they already had a drawing, they had all the documentation for it. And his tap really wasn't any alteration on what was already accepted. So each time that they presented the drawings and everything else to the patent office, it got pushed back. It was and it got denied, like four times for review. And essentially, he was not able to improve upon it. And and because of that, whatever was already registered with the patent office, that that held out over somebody else's new idea. So I think it's interesting, and I just, you know, just seeing that the other day and I thought about that, I was like, man, I wanted to ask you about that because I know that that happens quite a bit that people think oh, they've got the best idea, when that idea may actually already exists. They just haven't, you know, they if you can't improve upon it, then you know, it's you're basically just copying somebody else.

Meredith K. Lowry 28:08

We like to look at the differences. And it's with inventions. those differences are the important things. Yeah. If the tap had been able to cut through the coconut in a different manner, mechanism, when things like that those differences are important, but not everything has a difference. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes it's a different way of marketing, that there are a lot of patents out there and we were over 10 million patents, utility and then there's all the design patents as well, all the plant patents those, that doesn't mean that they were commercially successful. Yeah, and Sometimes it's something completely different that's going to be out there that can be commercially successful, even though there's a patent that prevents you getting a patent issued, right?

Randy Wilburn 29:15

Where did Where do? Where does someone start that thinks they either have an idea or some type of creation or invention? Where do they start? Should should they come see you first or is it more you should do your research? I mean, obviously, we've got Dr. Google and we've got all this information at our disposal nowadays. But what where would someone start to determine if what they have is indeed viable and something that they may want to put more effort behind to determine if it's worth pursuing the effort of a patent or something along those lines.

Meredith K. Lowry 29:51

I like talking to new inventors early mainly because if they miss something in the process, I want them to know, wait a minute, here's this big, huge red flag that you need to be aware of. And to avoid it. When you start talking to other people about your invention, Your time starts running. The patent office wants you to file within a year of you publicly disclosing an invention. So if you go to some of the resources the ecosystem has, and talk to them about it or do a pitch competition, just to get a proof of concept funding. You've started your time running, that's not ideal. And then some people come to me way too late. And that's heartbreaking for me. It's devastating for them. But I like them to come talk to me. I also like them to do their research. Yeah, right. Dr. Google's out there. Right. Google actually has a separate search engine. Just for patents, oh, it's more user friendly than the Patent Office website. Because most people don't know how to search the Patent Office website.

Randy Wilburn 31:12

Right. It's kind of daunting, actually.

Meredith K. Lowry 31:14

It is. Yeah. With Google patents, you can search and it's a little more flexible in the keyword searching. You can also dive deeper into the search classifications, and then we'll show you icons and you can see okay, structurally the I see this drawing of a coconut tap and so I can look and see okay, all these are a little bit different from mine and start getting a sense of why yours is different because that's what I'm going to ask you why is yours different?

Randy Wilburn 31:48

And then you can do the same for like trademark words and all that

Meredith K. Lowry 31:52

you can't forget Google. You can do the Patent and Trademark Office. Okay. And that search engine I not all the time. I think that one's much more easier to use.

Randy Wilburn 32:03

Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, I have probably have some questions for you after this podcast. But But no, no, that that is. I think that's really good. Well, we'll put the listing. So that separate search engine for Google is just Google. What do you search Google? Google Patents, Google patents? Okay, we'll make sure we put that on the show notes so people know where to look. So a couple more questions before we wind up I wanted to know where the song writing fall in this? Does that fall into this at all or no, it does, it is copyright so I was always told and I had some friends that are musicians and some that are their singers have written a lot of songs. I was told that you could you could actually write a song and then mail it to yourself. And that's...

Meredith K. Lowry 32:47

I'm shaking my head vigorously.

Randy Wilburn 32:49

So okay, I just want I wanted people to hear that I know that you know that we're not Nashville but I know that there are a lot of singer songwriters that live in this area and I know people that are that are creators of their own, you know, music and whether they've been inspired by other songs that they've heard or whatever. But

Meredith K. Lowry 33:07

I really want to kick the person that started this, because it's not just copyright, right? They call it the poor man's copyright. And I always, everyone will ask me, Poor Man's copyright, patent , Poor Man's trademark. And some people will walk in with me with the sealed letter. And they're like, I patented it myself, like, No, you didn't. You mailed yourself something, right. It's proof that you mailed it. But that's it. And it's just,

Randy Wilburn 33:38

it's hard. So that's a tremendous fallacy, basically,

Meredith K. Lowry 33:41

Tremendous. The other one that I hear a lot is, if I change it, 10% 5% 25% or whatever percent, it's fine. And I can do that, or I saw it on Google. So therefore, I get to use it. And that's also not sure how my goodness

Randy Wilburn 33:59

so I would assume that your I get a lot of people that come in here and ask you ask you to sign an NDA before they even open up and share with you what they're working on.

Meredith K. Lowry 34:06

They do. I don't sign them. My law license already prevents me from doing that.

That's worth more to me.

Randy Wilburn 34:17

What? Yeah, one of my friends, you know, he does a lot of business investing. And one of his highlight one of his warning signs is when somebody comes to them and says, Listen, I need you to sign this NDA before I share anything with you. And, you know, I mean, how often is that truly necessary? In a case like that, where you're just sharing some basic information,

Meredith K. Lowry 34:38

When it's someone that's not your attorney. I recommend it a lot for people because I mean, ideas do sometimes get stolen, get stolen, or re envisioned and, I mean, it's amazing how we can see something I'm guilty of this myself. Last week, one of my friends posted something about an event we both work on. And I immediately said almost the exact same thing in my post without even realizing it. Because our brains just take in information. And they don't always think through. Where did that come from?

Randy Wilburn 35:23

And mimicry is actually is as your brain is kind of train you mimic other people when they do things,

Meredith K. Lowry 35:30

especially when you're really good friends. Right, right.

Randy Wilburn 35:32

Exactly. Exactly. So

Meredith K. Lowry 35:34

But yeah, so that's, I, I like to look at NDA's in a very different manner. And I don't know, did we say what those are? non disclosure agreements. So I like to look at them as Okay, you've got the preliminary non disclosure of, we're just going to see, we're going to talk about surface level things and they even say In the non disclosure agreement, we are just seeing if we can have a business relationship. And at that time, we will have a further detailed agreement. But then you also have the same thing for manufacturers or people that are testing your product. Because a lot of people don't realize, if you let take your invention, and have your brother or someone that you don't even, like, tested a little bit, and they say, hey, add this to your coconut tap right, then it will work better. they've they've become an inventor there. Right, right. And joint inventorships a big thing.

Where that would go. Yeah, there could be some real misunderstandings there. Yeah, unfortunate when money gets involved. It's a slippery slope right there. So and I didn't want this conversation to devolve into purely because I'm sure you could talk all day and you're already talking over my head, I understand some basic things. But I just I did want to share that with with this audience and certainly anybody that's that's in this area and could use, you know, meritus help with a patent or copyright or any any of that nature, they can easily contact you. Right. And what's the best way for them to do that?

Wright, Lindsay and Jennings has a website. My direct dial is on there. It's WLJ.com

Randy Wilburn 37:29

Okay, perfect. Yeah, we'll make sure we put that in the show notes. So anybody listening to this, that has a great idea, you've you've had something sitting on the shelf for a long time and you thought it always had value if you really want to figure that out. Meredith would definitely be able to kind of enlighten you as far as that's concerned. So definitely connect with her and see if it can help and please let her know that you heard about it. Here first on I am Northwest Arkansas. Before we close out I wanted to talk with you. I know you are somewhat of an athlete right? Do you run? You run, okay! Have you run a marathon?

Meredith K. Lowry 38:03

I have not run a marathon. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot of signs when you run half marathons, that say only half as crazy, right? Right. I'm not. I don't have enough time to train for a full marathon. It's enough to train for a half and breaking out those two hour windows and run the long run.

Randy Wilburn 38:25

So how did you feel the first time you ran a half marathon.

Meredith K. Lowry 38:29

My mother and my father both run long distances as well. And my mother was at the end of the hall guy at the finish line, when I ran it the first time and she's crying and I'm crying. And so there was a lot of emotion there. Yeah, I didn't walk well for a couple days. It's now to the point where I think I'm at 16 I've done 16 now Wow. So I'm Don't walk well for a few hours. Now. Yeah, it's not as bad. It's not as bad. Yeah,

Randy Wilburn 39:05

That's one of my bucket list goals. I hate saying bucket list, but it's one of my before I leave this earth, I want to run a marathon. But but I think I will start with a half marathon. I have a good friend, that this year he made a commitment that he was running a marathon on every continent. And he is right now, like, as we record this, he is sitting in an airport in Santiago, Chile, waiting for a plane to take him to Antarctica. So it is amazing. So every time I let them know he was just an Africa last month, he did it and he's an entrepreneur. So he's got the time and all that to do that. And it's just been he's he's kind of made it a really interesting thing. And he's actually has raised a lot of money for a lot of really cool programs through this, which I think is another good way to do that. When you give back and you want to get other people involved with what you're doing. So it's not just you by yourself. So I thought that's kind of cool. But now I applaud you for working out Northwest Arkansas. Certainly an outdoor, outdoorsman paradise right outdoors person paradise it is. So there's a lot to do. But, you know I, I think I've taken up enough of your time and certainly I want to close this out with with just asking you a couple of questions about things that you like to do when you're not doing all the amazing things that you're already doing with Single Parent Scholarship Fund, the Komen Foundation, what you're doing here as a patent attorney, what do you and your husband and your two kids like to do? Three kids? Three kids, I'm sorry. I don't want to shortchange three. I know how it is. Sometimes we forget about them. But yes, I've got three. So what do you guys like to do in off times?

Meredith K. Lowry 40:43

So my kids like to play video games, and I play with them. I mean, I grew up playing Mario and Zelda and all the lovely fun Nintendo games back then. And so we play those now and

Randy Wilburn 40:57

is that the Wie?

Meredith K. Lowry 40:59

The Switch now switch

Randy Wilburn 41:01

right yeah those things we have

Meredith K. Lowry 41:03

the no I think we got rid of the Wie we had the Wie we have Wie U we still have that still has the old Zelda on it. And I'm not getting rid of that one anytime soon.

Randy Wilburn 41:13

No I don't play. I don't blame you So okay, so So tell me. Where do you like to eat here in Northwest Arkansas.

Meredith K. Lowry 41:20

Preacher's Son! I love it. I have issues with gluten. So knowing that I can go there and eat anything I want. Nothing will be contaminated. Right? Right.

Randy Wilburn 41:32

Right. We stress that anything. I know Matt very well. He's been on the show. I'll put a link to his show in the show notes. But but the preacher's son is outstanding. And I think maybe one of my favorite items there is is the fried chicken with Chicken Sizzle. Yeah, I mean, that's thing ever, ever, ever so really, really good food. And you know there are a lot of people in this area. There are a lot of restaurants that are offering You know, food and recipes for folks that have gluten intolerance or gluten sensitivity. So, certainly want to encourage you to check that out. One of the goals that I was I was I have is to create a little guide for people that are either eating 100% gluten free or just want to know places that offer gluten free items. You know, because there is a difference there. Some people just don't want to, you know, I went a year and a half without eating any wheat of any kind. And it was a glorious year and a half my headaches went away. A lot of things were different in that timeframe. And I've slowly wean myself back on to the wheat and it but I don't eat it. I don't consume it as much as I used to. So but it's, it's just nice to know that people kind of care about that stuff around here and it makes a big difference. Yeah,

Meredith K. Lowry 42:49

Lots of options here.

Randy Wilburn 42:50

Absolutely. Finally, the last book that you read. I think you had mentioned something about Gnomon?

Meredith K. Lowry 42:58

Yeah, it wasn't last one it read But it's the last one that stands out the most. I tend to read a lot of science fiction. And but that one was not just science fiction, it was sort of like a true crime, but also a AI and social media. And essentially what happens when there's a crime committed, and when the government knows everything, because we've let it know everything, right? And it was, it's an interesting book. It's a bit thick, but it was worth it. And it really kind of, it's broken up in sections too you. So you get through a certain part and suddenly you hit this completely different book, really. And that was a little disconcerting at first but it's a great book. I really did enjoy it. Yeah, I'm gonna have

Randy Wilburn 43:49

to check that out. And I think I mentioned to you I i've been reading and I'm currently reading the Laws of Human Nature by Robert Greene. And it's an amazing book that really just makes you think I could go on and on about this book it's it's a probably as it's it could be it could double as a doorstop it's that thick it's probably about 600 pages but it's it's the one of the few books this year that I've actually purchased and it's part of my personal collection of books everything else I get in the library I just you know I read and return but this was this was a must have I first took it out in the library than I bought the book because it's just it's that good so definitely want to encourage people to check out Robert Greene's book the Laws of Human Nature and I think that's about it. I really appreciate the the lessons on giving and also the just the impromptu legal lessons that we got here today so i don't i mean i know you know my cousins and attorneys she charges at six minute increments so I'm hoping that the bill isn't too high here but but no, you really were so gracious with your with your time and with your with your knowledge and I also just want to say that you're certainly the embodiment of what I have seen here in Northwest Arkansas, of people that give back to the community. You're not just there with your handout, you've got you've figured out a way to really give back to this community. So I certainly want to applaud you for that and to keep walking the walk and encouraging others like me and those that see you and see the difference that you're making in this community. So thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Meredith K. Lowry 45:28

Thank you. That's very kind.

Randy Wilburn 45:29

Yeah, absolutely. So there you have it, folks. Meredith K. Lowry, from right, Lindsay Jennings. They are and they are firm. They're based in Little Rock. They have an office up here in Rogers. If you need anything in the way of copyright or patent law, please give Meredith a call. If you're calling her because you heard about her here on the podcast, just let her know. Give her a shout out and say, Hey, girl, I heard you on that podcast. That was great. You know, can you help me and I'm sure she'll be able to help you out. So that's all I have for you today. I really appreciate you guys listening to this episode. I appreciate you guys sharing this podcast on a regular basis. Again, remember our whole goal here is to expand and talk about the intersection of business culture, entrepreneurship and life here in the Ozarks. I certainly want to encourage you to go out if you can and just get 1% better today, and you'd be amazed at what you're able to accomplish. That's all I have for now. I will see you next week. Peace.

About the Show:

In this episode, we sit down with Patent Attorney Meredith K. Lowry from Wright Lindsey Jennings, LLP in Rogers, Arkansas. Meredith is a ball of energy and a tremendous resource on Northwest Arkansas and the local Philanthropic community. After conversing with Meredith we lost track of all the programs and causes that she is affiliated with but let’s just say they are more than a few. 

Outside of her heart to serve Meredith is an excellent Patent Attorney that actually gave us a crash course on filing patents and understanding copyrights. She even mentioned the Search Engine for Patents run by Google – We did not know there was such a thing but Meredith did. 

This episode has a little bit of everything and we have Meredith to thank for that. If you wondered what makes Northwest Arkansas so great we always say that it is the people and Meredith is a shining example of this.      

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